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i think harry reid's comments sum it up. that is, there is no way that the democrats really want to talk about spending, and i know that the republicans have been light on detail as well, but if the issues facing this country are tackling the biggest part of what we spend in the form of entitlements, we are kidding ourselves that anything is going to be done in a timely faction. they are going to want to do the tax part and kick the rest, and i'll tell you what. i think a lot of conservatives will go along with the potential tax increase, but they are not going to take a promise on the rest of it, so i think it's going to get ugly. >> you know, carol, are alan greenspan is going to tell us later in the program that maybe we should go over the cliff, that the minor recession that is expected as a result is a small price to pay for greater fiscal reform in this country. >> you know that i believe that. you're teeing that one up for me. >> i'm giving you a softball here. >> i'm all about accountability and responsibility so i w
i think harry reid's comments sum it up. that is, there is no way that the democrats really want to talk about spending, and i know that the republicans have been light on detail as well, but if the issues facing this country are tackling the biggest part of what we spend in the form of entitlements, we are kidding ourselves that anything is going to be done in a timely faction. they are going to want to do the tax part and kick the rest, and i'll tell you what. i think a lot of conservatives...
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did you hear harry reid? the senate majority leader says i don't think we'll get a deal by christmas. would you think that's a real negative for the market. only lost 25 or 30 points in the dow on that. that surprised me. >> it held up pretty good. >> thanks, everybody. >> final word, david. >> as the debate goes on, when those statements come later in the year and closer to christmas or to new years, it will have a much larger impact on the market. >> i'm sure it will. i agree with you. >>> the other story, tensions mounting in michigan as union workers are protesting a bitterly distributed right-to-work bill. nbc's rob mott now with the details. >> reporter: good day to you from the michigan state capital where we saw a lot of protesters out here protesting two measures that the house passed today that would bar unions from forcing people to join those unions as a condition of employment. sometime tomorrow governor rick schneider is expected to sign them into law make michigan the 24th right-to-work state i
did you hear harry reid? the senate majority leader says i don't think we'll get a deal by christmas. would you think that's a real negative for the market. only lost 25 or 30 points in the dow on that. that surprised me. >> it held up pretty good. >> thanks, everybody. >> final word, david. >> as the debate goes on, when those statements come later in the year and closer to christmas or to new years, it will have a much larger impact on the market. >> i'm sure it...
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some headlines out of harry reid which may not be good news for the market. harry reid saying the democratic party will not put an offer of spending cuts on the table for the gop. reid also adding he does not think we will have a deal on the fiscal cliff before at least christmas if not longer. so think about that. harry reid saying no, no, no. republicans asking us to present cuts. we want them to present cuts. clearly this is political gainsmanship. democrats want gop to be the one to go to the american people to say here is what we're going to cut from your entitlement programs, mandy. reid saying we don't think a deal is going to get done before christmas. that does not bode well. the dow industrials are up. you can see they have ticked down a little bit. harry reid, a very, very powerful member obviously. senate majority leader. this is a guy deeply involved in the negotiations. when he speaks, it means something. we'll keep watching those markets. meantime, huge dirty money crackdown. british banking giant going to have $2 million in penalties, it helpe
some headlines out of harry reid which may not be good news for the market. harry reid saying the democratic party will not put an offer of spending cuts on the table for the gop. reid also adding he does not think we will have a deal on the fiscal cliff before at least christmas if not longer. so think about that. harry reid saying no, no, no. republicans asking us to present cuts. we want them to present cuts. clearly this is political gainsmanship. democrats want gop to be the one to go to...
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majority leader, harry reid. >> they can't decide what they're going to do. we have heard about the infighting going on with the house leadership, boehner is having trouble finding help from his leadership as to what they're to do. >> according to senator reid, the battle is between boehner and congressman kevin mccarthy, eric cantor, and one paul ryan. ho, ho, ho. let's get right to our panel. with me here in washington is msnbc political analyst david corn, and in new york msnbc political analyst professor michael eric dyson. david, can i start with you? the president began with, o come all ye faithful, and now we have speaker boehner singing in the bleak winter. how far does the president have to go to give boehner something that helps boehner go to his caucus and say let's just do our deal. >> you want someone to be singing "i'll be home for christmas." >> there you go. >> first, it's nice to see you in d.c. >> it's a great pleasure. >> we have this little bubble of optimism in the conventional media the past few days. although they're talking, they're no
majority leader, harry reid. >> they can't decide what they're going to do. we have heard about the infighting going on with the house leadership, boehner is having trouble finding help from his leadership as to what they're to do. >> according to senator reid, the battle is between boehner and congressman kevin mccarthy, eric cantor, and one paul ryan. ho, ho, ho. let's get right to our panel. with me here in washington is msnbc political analyst david corn, and in new york msnbc...
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reid, very smart, have shrewd men. i feel like this is going to be more of a pawn used in the conversation about the fiscal cliff. >> really? >> i don't think it's actually going to be -- >> you have already had mcconnell saying depending on what happens, it's going to influence how i feel about the fiscal cliff. >> put it all in there. >> why not? >> i will say i don't actually look forward to 24-hour speeches. >> no, i don't. it's interesting that the crux of this seems to have come down to eliminating something that is quiet. okay? we're not talking sdret secretive. filibusters are public acts. do we just want to sort of amplify this and give people more opportunity to speak and get camera time? i mean -- >> it does raise the mrekt stakes for people to do that because they look like jack asses. not that they don't already. >> as you were saying, it's a largely secretive process. independent of the actual filibuster, you can put up roadblocks, and no one knows. you are not accountable. it's really about shame and tra
reid, very smart, have shrewd men. i feel like this is going to be more of a pawn used in the conversation about the fiscal cliff. >> really? >> i don't think it's actually going to be -- >> you have already had mcconnell saying depending on what happens, it's going to influence how i feel about the fiscal cliff. >> put it all in there. >> why not? >> i will say i don't actually look forward to 24-hour speeches. >> no, i don't. it's interesting that the...
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stocks, though, did come off their highs, after those harry reid comments. that sent everybody into a little bit of a tail spin. i believe we do have some comments on tape here from some of the lawmakers we heard today. >> you give the president every single job harming tax increase that he's requested, you run the government for maybe nine or ten days. >> i think there's a real danger that we're going to end up with some damaging tax increases and nothing to show for it. >> if we took the president's revenue, we took the republic republicans' spending cuts and we put them together, we'd have a package of more than $4 trillion. >> what i hope boehner does not do is give away the debt ceiling with any kind of deal unless it's the real deal. >> when the government spends money and a lot of these other so-called infrastructure investments, it ends up wasting the money, taking it from the private sector. >> i think we need to do the entitlement issue. >> i'm optimistic we're going to be able to avoid the fiscal cliff, we're not going to go over that. we're not g
stocks, though, did come off their highs, after those harry reid comments. that sent everybody into a little bit of a tail spin. i believe we do have some comments on tape here from some of the lawmakers we heard today. >> you give the president every single job harming tax increase that he's requested, you run the government for maybe nine or ten days. >> i think there's a real danger that we're going to end up with some damaging tax increases and nothing to show for it. >>...
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what will harry reid miss most about retired senator ben nelson? >> he had a lot of real hair. it's often that people call his office -- they believe he has a toupe. it's his hair. he will pull it for every time just to show you that it's real. i mean, he has hair like a 15-year-old, mr. president, and so i have to acknowledge i am a little envious of his hair. ♪ i want it long, straight, curly, fuzzy ♪ >> you wonder why we don't have a budget deal yet. good day. i'm andrea mitchell live in washington, and first it was ohio. then, indiana i understand and wisconsin. now the labor mooumt is fighting for its rights in lansing, michigan. out in the cold voicing outrage on the steps of the statehouse over right to work legislation that governor rick snyder says he will be signing when it reaches his desk likely tomorrow. joining me now nbc's ron mott live in lansing. ron, what is the latest, and how did this come to a head so quickly in michigan? >> reporter: it came together very quickly, andrea. good day to you. it's a cold day out here, but these folks are very fired up. the
what will harry reid miss most about retired senator ben nelson? >> he had a lot of real hair. it's often that people call his office -- they believe he has a toupe. it's his hair. he will pull it for every time just to show you that it's real. i mean, he has hair like a 15-year-old, mr. president, and so i have to acknowledge i am a little envious of his hair. ♪ i want it long, straight, curly, fuzzy ♪ >> you wonder why we don't have a budget deal yet. good day. i'm andrea...
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harry reid has said it won't be, right? >> he has said it won't be just like republicans have said we won't allow any tax increase. on social security, the only thing you're likely to see is something on the cost of living adjustments to move from the current cpi to the chain cpi which takes the somewhat less generous approach to calculating increase in benefits so you might see that. you're not going to see raising of the eligibility age for social security. i doubt you'll see it on met care because reid won't accept that and democrats won't accept that. you can make the argument and you're right that social security is not part of this deficit argument and should be left alone. you can make that political and economic argument. in terms of what republicans are willing to do, whether social security winds up being part of it i'm not sure. medicare might be more likely. you might get the changes. but they're going to need some entitlement reforms in order to swallow tax increase. it is just a political reality. >> bill: or
harry reid has said it won't be, right? >> he has said it won't be just like republicans have said we won't allow any tax increase. on social security, the only thing you're likely to see is something on the cost of living adjustments to move from the current cpi to the chain cpi which takes the somewhat less generous approach to calculating increase in benefits so you might see that. you're not going to see raising of the eligibility age for social security. i doubt you'll see it on met...
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. >>> finally, senate majority leader harry reid paid tribute to ben nelson of nebraska yesterday and fessed up that the outgoing nebraska democrat is something he wants. the hint is in the top half of the picture. >> if the truth were known, many, many senatorings would be very envious, as i am, and i would even think the presiding officer, about that hair of ben nelson's. i mean, that is a mop of real hair. it's often that people call his office, e-mail his office. they believe he has a toupee. it's his hair. he has hair like a 15-year-old, mr. president, and so i have to acknowledge i am a little envious of his hair. >> hair envy aside, nelson's real mark might be casting what many people called the deciding vote in favor of obama care. that was quite a moment. >>> up next, the new movie "zero dark thirty" suggests we wouldn't have gotten bin laden without torturing terror suspects. not everyone agrees, and that's ahead. you're watching "hardball," the place for politics. ♪ if it wasn't for you ♪ don't know what i'd do ♪ i'd have nothing to prove ♪ i'd have nothing to lose
. >>> finally, senate majority leader harry reid paid tribute to ben nelson of nebraska yesterday and fessed up that the outgoing nebraska democrat is something he wants. the hint is in the top half of the picture. >> if the truth were known, many, many senatorings would be very envious, as i am, and i would even think the presiding officer, about that hair of ben nelson's. i mean, that is a mop of real hair. it's often that people call his office, e-mail his office. they believe...
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it's the same line we've heard for a long time, we're just closer to the deadline now. >> in harry reid's comments he seemed to give an indication of a timetable. did he seem optimistic or pessimistic about getting it done? >> he seemed pessimistic, which was funny because speaker boehner said he was optimistic earlier today. he said there wasn't a huge likelihood of a deal before christmas but i think right now people are sort of trying to temper expectations and put patients' bill of rights on the other party. when you hear the senate majority leader saying that he doesn't think it's going to be a deal and then blaming republicans, i think that's posturing and gaining further cooperation whereas if the -- while the white house feels it has the upper hand. >> how is the white house characterizing these talks and back channel scutions between the president and speaker? >> the exact quote they keep giving over and over again is the lines of communication are open. that is, -- that is their line, that's what they're saying. to the outside world, to someone who hasn't been following this deb
it's the same line we've heard for a long time, we're just closer to the deadline now. >> in harry reid's comments he seemed to give an indication of a timetable. did he seem optimistic or pessimistic about getting it done? >> he seemed pessimistic, which was funny because speaker boehner said he was optimistic earlier today. he said there wasn't a huge likelihood of a deal before christmas but i think right now people are sort of trying to temper expectations and put patients' bill...
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president obama telephoned senate majority leader harry reid monday while rob nabors huddled for a second day in a row aide to speaker john boehner. no discernible progress toward breaking the fiscal cliff stalemate. mr. obama left that drama behind and told supporters in suburban detroit the fiscal cliff is serious business. >> if congress doesn't act soon, meaning in the next few weeks, starting on january 1st, everybody's going to see their income taxes go up. >> reporter: boehner and house republicans want to preserve all the bush era tax rates due to expire at year's end, shielding everyone from a tax increase. mr. obama wants to raise them for households earning more than $250,000 a year. he has so far resisted gop demands for spending cuts to health care or education. >> i'm not going to have a situation where the wealthiest among us, including folks like me, get to keep all our tax breaks and then we're asking students to pay higher student loans. >> reporter: even so, democrats worry mr. obama might cave to republicans, their biggest fear, the president will do what he considered
president obama telephoned senate majority leader harry reid monday while rob nabors huddled for a second day in a row aide to speaker john boehner. no discernible progress toward breaking the fiscal cliff stalemate. mr. obama left that drama behind and told supporters in suburban detroit the fiscal cliff is serious business. >> if congress doesn't act soon, meaning in the next few weeks, starting on january 1st, everybody's going to see their income taxes go up. >> reporter:...
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. >> that was majority leader harry reid on the senate floor yesterday giving his tribute to retiring senator ben nelson. >> you know he's got hair like a 15-year-old. >> you do, too. >> i do. >>> coming up, political analyst jeff greenfield and "washington post" eugene robinson and then the republican party is on a mission definitely not to repeat the mistakes of the past year. and the man in charge of finding those solutions, former mississippi governor haley barbour will join us right here on "morning joe." >> is that a toupee? >> wow. try running four.ning a restaurant is hard, fortunately we've got ink. it gives us 5x the rewards on our internet, phone charges and cable, plus at office supply stores. rewards we put right back into our business. this is the only thing we've ever wanted to do and ink helps us do it. make your mark with ink from chase. to the best vacation sp(all) the gulf! it doesn't matter which of our great states folks visit. mississippi, alabama, louisiana or florida, they're gonna love it. shaul, your alabama hospitality is incredible. thanks, karen. love your
. >> that was majority leader harry reid on the senate floor yesterday giving his tribute to retiring senator ben nelson. >> you know he's got hair like a 15-year-old. >> you do, too. >> i do. >>> coming up, political analyst jeff greenfield and "washington post" eugene robinson and then the republican party is on a mission definitely not to repeat the mistakes of the past year. and the man in charge of finding those solutions, former mississippi...
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reid became the leader here, he's had to face 388 filibusters. and the last time the democrats were in the minority, we forced half as many, which i think even is too much. but half as many. so you have our majority leader facing twice as many as democrats led and it just has gotten out of hand. and, you know, you can stand up here and say it's a horrible thing to try and change the rules, but my test is abuse versus use. and i think if we can come together and avert any type of a -- some kind of showdown at ok corral, it's ridiculous. we don't need that. we can talk to each other as friends. we can figure out some of these commonsense reforms that we can do without having to get angry at one another. i -- i don't think it serves anyone's purpose if we're all angry at one another over this. so i wanted to respond to senator hatch on that. i also would ask unanimous consent that my whole statement about the nomination of jesus spurnell, be put in the record at the time we take up the judges later on in the day. the presiding officer: without objec
reid became the leader here, he's had to face 388 filibusters. and the last time the democrats were in the minority, we forced half as many, which i think even is too much. but half as many. so you have our majority leader facing twice as many as democrats led and it just has gotten out of hand. and, you know, you can stand up here and say it's a horrible thing to try and change the rules, but my test is abuse versus use. and i think if we can come together and avert any type of a -- some kind...
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. >> harry reid has invited director steven spielberg to do a screening of his new movie "lincoln" right there on the senate floor. that's great idea, don't you think? we've got huge unemployment, in the middle much a war, about to go off the fiscal cliff. this guy is going, let's show a movie at work! that will be fun. no wonder they can't get anything done. >> gretchen: that's funny. i guess the only inspiration would be that maybe it would be inspiration to actually get something done because if you see the movie, you see that president lincoln got something done. >> steve: of course, that's in the senate. a u.s. senator is weighing in on the new movie that comes out in december, called "zero dark 30", all about the operation that got bin laden. what's interesting, though, and we haven't seen the movie yet, but apparently, according to people who have seen the movie, about the first 15 minutes involves a water boarding of the courier by operatives and, of course, the water boarding by the curier led to mr. bin laden and his compound. but there is a problem there. that is the fact that
. >> harry reid has invited director steven spielberg to do a screening of his new movie "lincoln" right there on the senate floor. that's great idea, don't you think? we've got huge unemployment, in the middle much a war, about to go off the fiscal cliff. this guy is going, let's show a movie at work! that will be fun. no wonder they can't get anything done. >> gretchen: that's funny. i guess the only inspiration would be that maybe it would be inspiration to actually get...